Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby Taljair te Mir'ad » 21 Jan 2016 23:16

I'd like to get this as close to canon as possible


Vod, getting it as close to canon is pointless, since there is no old canon anymore. Everything Kar'buir did was flushed down the drain... So id just spit on any "canon" and do it the way i believed it should be.
Building a foundation for future development? Fantastic. Lets build it the way we want it. Or do you ask Republic Senate for approval before building a tapcaf in Keldabe? :)
Anyway, im glad that im not the only one having a splintering headache over the question if anybody needed this besides me and my family ( son started swearing in mando'a at school, you shoulda see the teachers face))
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby A'nu Biss » 22 Jan 2016 00:52

Taljair te Mir'ad wrote:Vod, getting it as close to canon is pointless, since there is no old canon anymore. Everything Kar'buir did was flushed down the drain... So id just spit on any "canon" and do it the way i believed it should be.


Fair point for sure. I also don't want to rock the boat too much and basically shake up what everyone already knows to be true as it relates to Mando'a.

So I guess basically if I'm trying to do as little damage as possible to what is already understood, then it would make the most sense to stick with the Mando'a that's been established already.

Hmm... alrighty then, well I'll post my transliteration of it soon. :)
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby A'nu Biss » 03 Feb 2016 21:41

Alrighty, massive spoilerpost of all the "new Romanization" Mando'a based on the Mando'a lettering from the dictionary included in Taljair's Total Guide. Please forgive the terrible Table formatting, I didn't want it to be a ridiculously long pagescroller post, lol...

I've also uploaded a raw, unformatted TXT file of the words here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VsKEZpUOZxZjhZcEZweGhhY1k/view?usp=sharing

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mir'ad
mir'adir
mir'adar
mir'dur
mir'dush
mir'tra
mir'shêb
mird
mirdir
mirda
mirdala
mirdnas
mirganla
mirjahal
mirsi't
mirsin
mirsin'eso
mirsir
mirs'ad
mirsh
mirshir
mirshuk
mirsh'brik
mirsh'gêroya
mirsh'kiramud
mirshêpar'la
mirshko
mirshmure'sha
mirshe
mit
mitir
mit'ad
mit'akan
mit'akanir
mit'bin
mit'bêv
mit'gam
mit'ganar
mit'ha'tailir
mit'kadir
mit'yam
mite
mishuk
mishukir
maiên
mu'vêla
mun
muninar
munit
mun'bajir
mun'hal
mun'klês
mun'pîr
mun'tion
munad
mure'ish
mure'lin
muresha
murshur
murshe
majish
majishir
majishe
man
man'sairatir
Mand'alor
Mand'êntyê
manda
Manda'yaim
Mandal gotabe
Mando
Mando'ade
mandokar
mandokarla
mandor
mar'eir
mar'eshe
marêv
marekar
mav
mavar
mashukir
mê'dinuyir
mêsh
mêshurkan
mêshurok
mêsh'la
mêshgêroya

mîst
Mokar
Mor
moru'kêb
morut
morut'ish
morutar
motir
motish
me
me'sum
me'sum'îkû
me'sên
me'sêne
meg
megîn
mesum'kov
mese
A

a
a'dên
a'orish
abik
abik'amur
abik'shad
abik'shadlar
abir
abêsh
abêsh'la
ad
adu
ad'îkû
ad'eta
adade
adate
adên
adîk
adîk'nara
adol
ade
ade
agol
agolish
ak'narit
ak'naritir
ak'narish
aka
akalênedat
akan
akanir
akanur
akan'ade
akan'ba'slanar
akan'îkû
akan'jorir
akan'jorad
akan'ûlik
akarud
akata
ake
al
ali'alit
ali'gai
ali'joha
ali'kote
ali'nar
alik
alit
alaiî
al'brik
al'vairde
alar
Alo'mite
alom
alor
alorir
alorish
aloriya
alor'us
alor'ad
am
amir
amish
am'gan
aman
an
ani'la
anila
anade
anî
ane
arikir
ar'betên
ar'betênor
ar'îkû
ara'gotênir
ara'novor
ara'vod
aran
aranik
aranar
aranov
arar
aras
arasum
arasumir
arasum'la
arpat
arpatir
are
are'ir
aru'hutun
aru'e
aru'el
aru'ela
aruetise
aruetish
aruetî
asik
asik'sairar
as'ganir
ast
ast'êhut
at
atin
atinir
atinai
atin'la
atinar
at'norak'eso
at'tron'eso
ashi'kêb
ashi'yust
ash'ad
ash'amur
ash'êmurir
ashî
Ashnar
ay'han
ayetir
N

ni'orar
nibral
nibrar
ninir
nivin'ish
nair
nair'sat
nair'satir
naisol
naish
nu, n', nê
nu'amish
nu'hibir
nudêsla
nuhoy
nuhoyir
nuhoy'ur
nuhu'bora
nuhun
nuhunar
nuhur
nuhurir
nuh'ad
nuh'kabir
nuh'la, nuh
nuh'sirbur
nuh'sur'tai
nuh'yaim
nuharu'e
nuhatish
nuho'lar
nuhod
nuhor
nukut'la
nulurish
nuninir
nurmanish
nususula
nushad'la
n'ala
nau
nau'ish
nau'ul
nau'ur
nau'ur kad
naubrik
naumit
na'vabir
nad'aiî
nad'aila
nadal
nadalir
nadalish
nadal'kanar
nadala
nak
nakil
nakir
nak'jorad
nak'jorhaish
nakarish
nakar'mir
nakar'tur
nakla
nari'got
narir
naritir
narudar
nar'mit
nara'solet
narî
narsair
narsairish
narya'hail
narya'hailir
nas
nas, 'nas
nas'borar
nas'tabas
nasad
nasade
nast
nastar

nîst
nor'ba'slanar
nor'hibir
nor'kêmir
nor'tab
nor'veî
norak
norak'eso
norjorar
novor
ne'kan
ne'nuhor
ne'sushir
ne'tom
ne'tra
ne'tra bêhot
ne'tra gal
ne'tra vêdin
ne'wadas
nedumish
nedos'la
negai
nehutish
neha'taish
nehêt'la
neja
nekanish
nekêbî
nekopish
nelisair
nelarish
nemirutre'la
nepareish
nepel
neral
neralir
nerale
nerêtish
nevaird
D

di'dunar
di'dunarir
di'kut
di'kutla
di'sur
digur
diharir
dini'la
dinuy
dinuyir
din'kartai
din'wadar
dinî
dirish
dirishir
dir'bas
dir'joha
dir'shadlar
dirtab
dirtab agol
dis'ne
dai'dumir
dain
dainir
dain'vinir
dain'yust
dainganir
daish
du'dul
du'halur
du'kar
dudajun
duha'la
duhal
dul
dul'bar
dul'ka'nara
dum
dumir
dumish
dunar
dunarir
dur
duran
duranir
duse
dush
dush'kêmir
dush'kote
dush'shia
dushne
da
da'hase
da'waird
dab
dab'gaid
dab'gaid haran
dab'eso
dab'sair
dab've
dad
dadita
dajudush
dajudush'la
dajun
dajun'la
dajunar
dalish
dal'gotur
dal'îkû
dala
dalab
dalganir
dalgana
daltal
daltala
dar
darish
dar'buyîr
dar'manda
dar'tomêr
dar'tome
dar'vod
darasum
darjêtî
davab
davar
dawur
daworir

dêban
dêmagolka
dêmar
dola
dos
dos'goya
dosbrik
doslanir
dra
dra'kiraish
dra'kan
draluram
drala
dralshi'a
drar
drashar
drotên
O

o'r
o'sair
ogir'olar
ogîr
ol'avairde
olan
olan'choruk
olan'tab
olar
olar'ad
olaror
onidir
or
ori'
ori'ad
ori'al
ori'bal'ban
ori'bêskarish
ori'chab
ori'chab'la
ori'dush
ori'gaikû
ori'gêhat'îk
ori'hêt
ori'hêtir
ori'jagish
ori'jate
ori'kab
ori'kab'la
ori'kadên
ori'kêbi'yaim
ori'kopad
ori'mird
ori'mirdala
ori'orî
ori'rug'la
ori'ramikad
ori'sumish
ori'sumpîr
ori'sushir
ori'sên
ori'skran
ori'sol
ori'tom'vêtin
ori'tra'ad
ori'vod
ori'wadas
ori'shia
ori'zad
oribru
orikî
orilin
oritsir
orish
oriya
oriyala
orukadêd
or'ilor
or'bar
or'dinî
or'dain gêvar
or'dain palon
or'ka
or'kêmir
or'parg
or'pargur
or'tai
or'tur
or'trikar
or'vêt
or'yust
orar
orhar
orharir
orjorêr
ornau'kêmir
orok
osi'yaim
osik
osik'uram
osik'la
oshokita
R

ridur
ridurok
riye
riye'mit
ruyo
ruyot
ru
ru'ir
ru', r'
ru'tur
rud
rudin
rudir
rug
rug'la
rug'tab
rug'vaird
rugam
runar
runî
rur
rus
rusir
rusur
rus'alor
rusal
rusan
rusanish
rusar
ruvabur
ra
ramikad
ramikadish
ram'îkû
ram'or
ram'sêr
ramanar
ramanla
ramorla
rang
ranov'la
ratin
rêdal
rêdalur
rêjorha'ir
rêso'tur
rêso'turar
rêsol
Rêsol'nare
rêt
rêt'ish
rohak
rohakar
rol'eta
re'kîr
re'tur
re'turar
re'ture
resin
resh'olan
reshê'a
E

ebîn
en
eso
eyn
eyn'eta
eyn'tur
eyn'turar
H

hibi'ranir
hibi'sur
hibir
hibirar
hibîr
hailir
haish
hu'tun
hukan
hukatir
ha
ha'it
ha'ban
ha'banar
ha'tai palon
ha'tailir
ha'yam
haban'tai
hakuy
hakuyir
hak'brik
hakba
hal
halur
hal'jorar
hal'mit
hal'or'bar
halas
hamish
harir
harir
harish
harish b'alish
har’kov
har'taiat
har'tab
haran
haran
haranov
haranovor
has'vê
hast
hast'kanar
hast'slat
hast'vêtin
hastal
hat
hatish
hat'mit
hat'mitir
hat'tai
hata'got
hav
havlam
hashun
hêtiklês
hêtiklesh
hêtipurg
hêtir
hêtish
hêturam
hêt'gaid
hêt'gan
hodaish
hodar
hodasal
hodasalar
hok
hok'tênar
hoka'jag
hokad
hokad'la
hokan
hokanir
hokan'ish
hokan'runî
hoshap
B

bikadinir
bines
binesor
bintar
birikad
bir'ka'nara
bir'pirimla
birgan
birov
birov'la
buyî'zad
buyîr
buyîrkan
bair
bairi'tur
bairir
bairoya
bu'ad
bu'îkû
bu'she
bu'she gal
bubu'ad
buruk
burun
burk'ish
burenar
bursh'a
burshan
busha
bushîkû
bushe'sur
buyashir
ba
ba'ad
ba'buyîr
ba'balut
ba'jun
ba'jurir
ba'jurar
ba'ruyr
ba'slan shev'la
ba'slanar
ba'soletar
ba'vinir
ba'vod
ba'vodu
ba'yair
baju'dush
baju'ni'ast
bajur
bak
bal
balish
bal'ban
balak
ban'dush
ban'tionir
bana
banar
bantov
bar
barishir
bar'ulur
bar'ur
bar'hokan
bar'jurkad
bar'muresha
bar'murshur
barpir
bas
bas neral
bas'gam
bas'îkû
bas'kut
bas'kotakur
bas'pirun
bas'vêtin
bat
batir
bat'ganir
batnor

bê, b'
bê'chaj
bê'chaj'tabir
bê'sênar
bê'sol
bêh
bêhot
bês'agol
bês'bavar
bês'bêv
bês'brik
bês'êdê
bês'goyust
bês'lar
bês'ûlik
bêsbe
bêsbe'treshe
bêsgoy'ûlik
bêskad
bêskar
bêskarish
bêskar'ad
bêskar'gam
bêsom
bêv
bêvik
bêvin
bêvir
bêviragir
bêv'dinuyir
bêvagol
bêvar
bîd
bîd'ish
bîd… îbak
bîk
bor
borish
boru
borudês
bor'tap
bora
boramird
borar
borarir
borasik
betên
betênor
bri'brik
bri'gat
bri'tai
briagol
brik
brik'la
brikar
brikarir
brikasak
brikasar
brikase
brirud
brirud'la
bral
bralir
bralov
brokar
Y

yilad
yai
yai'yai
yai'yai'ish
yaihi'l
yaihad
yaihadir
yaihadish
yaihadla
yaihast
yaim
yaimir
yaim'la
yaim'ol
yaim'vêtin
yaimar
yaimî
yaimpar
yaitên
yust
yust'ad
yust'alor
yust'yaim
yustalir
yustapîr
yustarud
ya'gai
yam
yami'gaid
yami'kêbise
yam'bas
yam'choruk
yam'gala
yam'gotal'ur
yam'kadêd
yam'sairkal
yam'sol
yam'vêt
yamîkû
yasur
yo'bar
yog
T

tiuja
tiganur
tih'kov
tihar
tihar'yaim
tin'la
tingilar
tionir
tion'
Tion'ad
tion'bêh
tion'bor
tion'jor
tion'me
tion'tur
tionas
tai
taiir
tai'brik
tai'brir
tai'gan
tai'haiî
tai'hat
taiat
tailir
tu
tug'
tug'hailir
tur
tur'solet
turar
t'ad
ta
ta'ail
ta'hatla
ta'resh
ta'resholan
tab
tab
tabir
tab'agol
tab'êchaj'la
tab'sûr
tabalut
tabalhar
tad'eta
tad'tur
tad'turar
takisir
takisit
takisish
takur
takurar
tal
talish
tal'brik
tal'din
tal'êdê
tal'galar
tal'gêv
tal'haiî
tal'kurshî
tal'onidir
tal'purgat
tap
tare'sol
tare'turar
tare'tad
tareso'turar
taretad'turar
tatugir

têbêk
têke
tên
tênin
tênir
tên'sanir
tên'tron
tênganar
tênhat'la
têtar

to
toir
to'ad
to'jorir
to'kursh
to'kad
to'tab
to'shoku
tolase
tom
tomish
tomur
tom'ish
tom'ursir
tom'vêtin
tomad
tome
tome'drotên
tome'tai
tor
te
te'habir… bê
teganalir
tenau'kêmir
teroch
trikaish
trikar
trikarir
trikar'la
tra
tra'ad
tra'gal
tra'kiram
tra'kiramur
tra'nau
tra'saiî
tra'tabur
tra'vipîr
tra'vaird
tra'vêtin
tra'shiar
tra'shêbir
trabas
tran
tranir
tranish
trapêhin
tratish
tratur
trat'ab
trat'ade
trat'alit
tratîkû
tratok
tratok'or
trashi'ur
trashi'bêv
trashi'ral
trashi'sairar
trashi'sal
trashiat
trashin
trashinya
trashiyam
troch
tron
tron'ashir
tron'haran
tron'eso
tron'tai
tron'tailir
tron've
tûg'ish
SH

shi'yeish
shib
shig
shikal
shisa
shu'tresh
shu'shuk
shuk
shukish
shukur
shuk'la
shuk'la gêt'se
shuk'la ridurok
shuk'orok
shuk'suvar
shuk'tab
shukalar
shukar
shun
shunir
shunair
shun'ad
shun'îkû
shupur
shupur
shupur'ish
shur
shushaiî
sh'eyn
sha
sha ka'nara
sha'kajîr
shabir
shabuyîr
shab'rudur
shabla
shad
shadlish
shadlar
shal
shap
shap'ish
shar
sharir
shar'ad
shar'îkû
shar'tomade
sharal
share
share'se
shêbi'kêb
shêb'urshin
shêb'îkû
shêb'orikêb
shêb'tên
shêb've
shêber
shêbrik
shêbs
shêk'vinir
shêkemir
shêrêshir
shêreshoy
shî
shî'jî
sho'sên
sho'tabir
sho'she
shok
shokita
shonar
shosênir
shosênla
she'ku
she'eta
she'eta'olan
sheku'tur
shek'eta
shev'jorad
shev'la
shey'turar
sheyn'eta
sheyn'tab
Ê

ê'tad
êchoy
êchoy'la
êchoylir
êdimir
êdir
êdê
êdî
êkur
êlêk
êmur
êmurir
ên'nar
ênab
ênteor
êntyê
êpabar
êpan
êpar
êpar
êpar'yaim
êparavur
êparavur takisêsu
êti'pîr
êtish
êta'tur
êta'turar
êvar
êvar Simîr
êvar'la
êvar'mit
êvar'shukar
I

ijat
ijat'la
irud
irudir
irudaish
irudaish palon
irudul
irudar
irugêbish
iral'kar
irtab
isirir
isirish
is'dalir
isa
isîr
ivin
ivinir
ivin'ish
ivin'hibir
iyea
iyetir
J

jila
jilarud
jiriad
jai
jai'galar
jair
juan
jurir
jurkad
jurkadir
jurkadir tî
jurkadir sha
ja'hailir
jabat
jag
jagish
jag'îkû
jaganir
jagana
jah'ad
jah'bêv
jah'bêvir
jah'pirun
jahal
jahal'got
jahal'tion
jahala
jal
janad
jari'aish
jariler
jarin
jarkiv
jaro
jare
jare'la
jareor
jatisir
jatisish
jatisan
jatish
jat'ka'nara
jat'runî
jatne
jatne êmurir
jatne manda
Jatne vod
jate
jate'bana
jate'kara
jate'shia
jêh'gêhat'îk
jêha'kas
jêhar
jêhat
jêhatir
jêhatish
jêhav
jêhave'ir
jêkai
jênarar
jêti'dral
jêti'kad
Jêtise
jêtî

jîish
johaish
joha
jor
jorir
jorun
jorur
jor'lêkir
jorad
jorad'tai
jorad'la
jorar
jorbê
jorha
jorha'ir
jorha'lor
jorku
jormit'gam
jorso'ran
jeon
jeon'ish
jeon'gishir
jeon'gaid
K

ki'goy
ki'runî
kihir
kihla
kinir
kirai'nuhoy'ur
kiraish
kirunish
kir'ish
kir'ad
kir'adish
kir'am
kir'amur
kir'bês
kir'bor
kir'duhal
kir'êsu
kir'manir
kir'nuhoy
kir'tra
kir'vê
kir'vêtin
kir'yust
kir'zad
kiral
kiral'bin
kiramud
kiramla
kirbej
kis'lun
kisol
kuyir
kuy'vinir
kuyam
kuyan
kuyanir
kuyî'tur
kuyî'turar
kuyîr
kuyla
kuyolir
kuyete
kuyr'eta
kai'kaish
kai'nî
kai'tome
kaior
kaiorar
kaiorla
kaist
kaish
ku'amir
ku'bikad
ku'nar
kuam'ad
kumana
kun
kunak
kur
kurir
kurud
kura
kurar
kurs
kurs'kadêd
kursh'sair
kursh'vorpan
kurshî
kurshok
kut
kutir
kute
ka
ka'ilor
ka'gat
ka'nara
Ka'ra
ka'tra
kab
kabuor
kabur
kab'la
kad
kadilir
kad'au
kad'la
kad'sêtare
kadal
kadalik
kadalikir
kadala
kadale
kadas
kadas'îkû
kadêd
kadên
kadîkan
kajil
kajilir
kajirir
kajish
kaj'gêroya
kaj'mit
kajar
kajîr
kakovidir
kal
kalikir
kaminî
kama
kanish
kan'gal
kan'goran
kan'kan
kanar
kandir
kandish
kando
kandosî
kandosî'la
kandûsh
karud
karudir
kar'ad
kar'am
kar'hal
kar'halur
kar'ruyot
kar'tish
kar'tail
kar'tailir
kar'tailir darasum
kar'ta
kara'vipîr
karbakar
karyai
kas
kasir
kê', k'
kê'gishe
kê'partailir
kêbi'tra
kêbi'yaim
kêbi'yaime
kêbin
kêbir
kêbis'ûlik
kêbise
kêbur
kêb'hibir
kêb'îkû
kêb'paru
kêb'solet
kêbî
kêbî'ad
kêbî'kama
kêbrik
kêbrik'mit
kêdin
kêdinir
kêlita
kêldab
kêmir
kî'
kî'bas
kî'kal
kîr
kîya
klês
klêsin
klêsir
klês'palon
kom'rk
kopikla
kopish
kopad
kopanir
Korusanta
kot
kotir
kotish
kot'akan
kot'hokad
kot'hokan
kot'hokanir
kotêp
kote
kovid
kov'brik
kov'brik'la
kov'dain
kov'dainir
kov'nin
kov'ninir
kov'pelid
kov'takur
kov'yam
kovdab'la
kovêdî
kranak
aikish
L

lini'amur
linibar
linish
linjir
linjish
liser
lubid
lub, 'lub
la'mit
la'mun
lalat
lam
lamirud
lamish
lam'dab'tab
lam'gaid
lam'gan
lam'hibir
lam'haran
lam'îrtab
lam'kranak
lam'la
lam'eso
lam'tron
lam've
lam'yam
lamotir
lan'shok
landur
lar
lar'ad
lar'sênar
laran
lararir
lararish
lênedar
lênedat
lo
lonar
lor'birgan
lor'vram
loras
lovik
learî
S

sim'olan
simîr
sin
sin vêtin
sinish
sin'abik
sin'choruk
sin'runî
sin'sirir
sin'sîr
sin'tihar
sin'tal
sinarir
sinar'kut
sinarganar
sinarpat
sirish
sir'kanar
sir'kov
sir'taiat
sir'vêt
sira'la
sirar
sirbur
sirnad
sireir
siver
sair
sairish
sairud
sair'bêv
sair'kal
sair'sur
sairar
sairare
sairatir
su
sum
sum ka'nara
sum'la
sumpîr
sur
suruy
suru'bin
suru'mit
sur'ulur
sur'ar
sur'dirish
sur'dain
sur'dainir
sur'da
sur'gan
sur'gêb
sur'got
sur'haiî
sur'hat
sur'jeon'ish
sur'tai
sur'talir
sur'tra
suranir
susul
susulur
susulgot
suvar
suvarir
sushir
sa
saban'tai
sakagal
sal
salir
sal'ad
sal'sênar
sala
salan
san
sapanish
sapan'dral
sapan'gotur
sapan'gote
sarad
saradir
savin
sên
sên'ad
sên'alit
sên'dainir
sên'gaid
sên'gan
sên'lam
sên'tra
sên'yam
sênar
sênar'irud
sênar'gam
sênar'got
sênar'yaim
sênorir
sêne'yaim
sêrim
sêrimir
sêrim'tion
sêrî
sêtar
sêtar'narir
sêtare
sîn
sîr
skira
skana
skota
skran
skranir
skran'ad
skran'hêtir
skran'îkûse
skran'linish
skran'linî
skran'taiat
slanish
slanar
slat
sol
solir
solur
solus
sol'ish
sol'ad
sol'akan
sol'bê'olan
sol'ka'nara
sol'kand
sol'tur
sol'turar
sol'tan
sola
Solad
solar
solêgot
solet
solet'ad
soletar
sosol
spirba
stabî
stril
strilir
U

u'tabir
udêla
udês
udêsir
udêsla
ude'ture
uhibir
ujish
uj'ail
uj'alaiî
uj'hashun
uja
ujorha'la
ukoror
uli'rud
ulik
ulik
ulik'brik
ulik'morut
ulik'yaim
ulin
ulinir
ulir
ulish
ulur
ulurish
ul'gan
uman
ur
ur'takur
urakto
uram
uramir
uramgot
urês
urêson
urêsonir
urman
urman'ad
urman'alor
urman'la
urman'vaird
urman'yust
urman'yam
urmankal'ad
urmankalar
urmankarla
ursir
utish
ut'riya
utri'vêtin
utrikov
utrisur
utre'la
utreyar
uvete
V

vi'tai
vi'taish
vidêk
vinir
vin'gêroya
vipîr
virish
vir'run
vire
vai'vut
vair'alor
vair'gêbuyîr
vair'mirsit
vair'vaird
vairburish
vairborir
vaird
vaird'ish
vaird'borar
vaird'gam
vaird'gotên
vaird'îkû
vaird'kajî
vaird'kêbise
vairda
vairkopa
vairkopanir
vu'trat
vurel
vutish
vabir
val
val
valast
var
var'îkû
var'tûr

vê'ganir
vê'ganur
vê'palon
vê'sur
vê'vin
vê'yaim
vêdin
vêkad
vêkadla
vêkaj
vêman
vên
vên'
vên'dajunar
vên'gêbî
vên'jî
vên'rîdur
vên'tur
vên'vorpa
vênkuyanir
vênkuyot
vêridur
vêt
vêt
vêtin
vêt'shuk
vêshok
vêy

vod
vodish
vorêr
vorp'êdî
vorpan
vorpan'oy
vorpan'oy'tap
ve
veî
veî'la
P

pirimuî
pirimur
pirim'ad
pirimpîr
pirish
piru'linî
pirun
pirun'tai
pirur
pirustî
pir'aran
pir'êkulor
pir'kiram
pir'kanar
pir'vêt
pir'shadlar
pirdalir
pirgai
pirgoy
pirebu
pirshuk
pitat
pitat'kurs
pait
purgat
put'la
pagur
pak
paklalat
pakod
pal'aran
palon
papurish
papur'gal
papur'pirun
papurgat
par
paru
par'jila
parjir
parjish
parjai
parjî
parer
partailir
pêhir
pêti'bar
pêtish
pêt'kartish
pêtîr
pîrpak
pel
pelid
pel'bêskar
pel'gam
pel'tigala
pel'tigan
pel'tron
pel'vê
pelkanir
prudî
projor
Z

zikador
zikala
zad
zad drotên
zad'ganar
G

gishin
gishir
gai
gai bal manda
gaii'kab
gaii'kartai
gaii'karyai
gaiilir
gaiila
gaiir
gai'choruk
gai'îkû
gai'mit
gai'mit'gam
gaid
gaigotalur
goyust
goy'yir
goy'yê
gu'kal
gur'vaird
gurar
guror
gure
g', go'
g'alikir
g'alike
ga'êpar
ga'kan
ga'tai
ga'tailir
gadî
gal
gal'ridurok
galar
galar
gan
ganinir
ganir
ganish
ganure
gan'au
gan'ganir
gan'joha
gan'naumit
ganada
ganader
ganan
ganar
ganla
ganelir
gar
gar'nî
garast
gat
gat'ish

gê'da
gê'hutun
gê'hat
gê'kiraish
gê'kan
gê'katra
gê'sol
gê'soletar
gê'tal
gê'vair'alor
gêbish
gêbar
gêbî
gêdin'la
gêdêt
gêdêtir
gêdêtaiar
Gêdêt'yai
gêhatish
gêhat'îk
gêkirdir
gêkirdish
gênêt
gêpa'halas
gêroy'tap
gêroya
gêroyashir
gêr'vinir
gêt
gêt
gêtu
gêt'se
gêt'shuk
gêvin
gêv'mird
gêv'mirdir
gêv'or'dain
gêv'or'daish
gêvar
gêshadlar

gîhal
go'brik
go'gat
go'klêsin
go'mirdir
go'nau
go'nasir
gor
gor'kan
goral
goran
gorar
gotish
gotur
got'ulik
got'ulik yaim
got'am
got'îkû
got'kurud
got'pelid
got'solir
gota
gota'skran
gota'tur
gotab
gotabor
gotal
gotalir
gotal'ur
gotal'ad
gotal'yaim
gotala
gotan
gotan'la
gotên
gotênir
gotênish
gema'wad
gemas
gra'tua
gra'tuar
grati'tron
gratir
Î

îba'
îbak
îbak'nair
îbashe
îbî'tur
îbîk
îbîse
îk'ad
îkû
CH

chupa'kabra
chur
churish
chur'soletar
cha'dinuyir
cha'hibir
chab
chabir
chab'la
chab'vinir
chabar
chaj
chaj'ish
chaj'gurar
chaj'mit
chaj'yaim
chak
chakir'am
chakur
chakar
chakarish
chavla
chashia
chayaikir
chêk
chêkar
choruk
chor'borar
chortav
chûr'goyust
chûr'sairar
W

wair
wairda
wairdla
wairde
wur
wurir
wur'sênar
wad
wadish
wad'choruk
wad'gêroya
wad'kêbise
wad'kêbî
wad'runî
wad'takur
wad'yam
wada'sên
wadas
wadasla
wara'se
wasur
wasur'la
wêrlara
OY

oyaish
oyu'bat
oyu'galan
oyu'galar
oyula
oya'karir
oya'la
oyar
oyashir
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby Koja Kar Akaan'uliik » 31 May 2016 09:57

I had a thought. Could we use double vowels as a mnemonic for stress? That could make pronunciation easier to memorize and preserve the double-voweley feel of the language
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Unread postby A'nu Biss » 31 May 2016 15:49

Koja Kar Akaan'uliik wrote:I had a thought. Could we use double vowels as a mnemonic for stress? That could make pronunciation easier to memorize and preserve the double-voweley feel of the language


I think that might actually be part of the original Romanization. I'm not opposed to keeping that around, but there are really very few words where such differentiation is significant so /shrug

Unless you mean double-vowel for ALL stressed syllables?
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Unread postby Koja Kar Akaan'uliik » 31 May 2016 21:37

A'nu Biss wrote:Unless you mean double-vowel for ALL stressed syllables?


Pretty much, or at least where it matters. If double vowels were once used to show stress, that ended a long time ago. I've been experimenting with spelling and it helps
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Unread postby A'nu Biss » 01 Jun 2016 16:06

It's a possibility. The only thing I'm not certain about is how that would be represented in Mando'a script. Ideally, I'd like the Mando'a script and the Romanization to be 1:1 representations of the words.
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Unread postby Koja Kar Akaan'uliik » 02 Jun 2016 18:29

Hm. Precisely what do you mean by 1:1?
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Unread postby A'nu Biss » 03 Jun 2016 18:35

Koja Kar Akaan'uliik wrote:Hm. Precisely what do you mean by 1:1?

Basically, each pronounced sound having a specific representation in Mando'a script and a specific representation in the Romanized form, so there can be no confusion.

Denoting stress in the Romanization would be fine as long as it didn't introduce confusion with the sounds produced in the word, but a similar non-disruptive method would be needed for denoting stress in the Mando'a script, for clarity's sake. Ideally, someone should be able to 1. Hear a word OR 2. See written Mando'a OR 3. See written Romanized form and be able to immediately know and produce all 3 from just a single one.

EDIT: An example of a problem with the existing Romanization, where it fails to meet this criterion, is apparent in the word "Su'cuy." From hearing it pronounced, I couldn't immediately know that it was spelled that way in the Romanization. At first thought, it would seem to be "sukuy" or "sukui." Given the randomness of how the current Romanization assigns representation of sounds, someone who has not taken the tedious effort to do the rote memorization of all vocabulary in the language would not be able to tell you how it is spelled from the pronunciation alone. The Mando'a script (taboo/"non-canon" as it may be) is much clearer, as the '-uy-' sound is a specific vowel, just as the 'hard K' sound is a specific consonant. The Romanization should complement, not detract from, this clarity.
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby joh'amur » 05 Jun 2016 02:28

What about putting a horizontal bar over the stressed vowel when writing in the Mando'a script? I'm no good when it comes to working with fonts, so I'm not sure how difficult that'd be to implement into a font.
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Unread postby A'nu Biss » 06 Jun 2016 15:37

joh'amur wrote:I'm no good when it comes to working with fonts, so I'm not sure how difficult that'd be to implement into a font.

There are things that exist like that, such as in typed Thai language where vowels are written around the consonants they go with (i.e.: ดี, pronounced "dee" vs. , just the 'd' sound).
No idea how to make that happen in a user-created font, but since it does exist there's probably a guide on it out there somewhere.
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Unread postby Taljair te Mir'ad » 06 Jun 2016 19:54

I dont think that a warrior society could devise such a complicated writing system. We're not Tolkien's Noldor, lets keep it as simple as we can.
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby A'nu Biss » 06 Jun 2016 22:40

Taljair te Mir'ad wrote:I dont think that a warrior society could devise such a complicated writing system. We're not Tolkien's Noldor, lets keep it as simple as we can.

Eh.. that's up for debate. Whether the writing system is complex or simple is largely irrelevant (Thai is actually fairly simple), what is likely is that Mando'a would be incredibly efficient. A warrior society would want messages communicated and understood quickly and clearly without a lot of extra fluff or room for interpretation.

To that end, Thai actually does fit that bill surprisingly well. No tenses, no verb conjugations, no noun cases. Words do not change in Thai, the nuances of their meanings are easily determined through context. However Thai falls short in the fact that it's a tonal language. A warrior race's language would need to be similarly clear and concise whether yelled or whispered on the battlefield, the listener being required to pick out subtle tone differences in the words his/her commander is shouting doesn't make sense at all.

The closest language I've seen to one that actually fits very well with what a warrior race's language would look like is Mongolian. What a surprise, an actual warrior society :lol:
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby joh'amur » 25 Jun 2016 20:39

A'nu Biss wrote:It's a possibility. The only thing I'm not certain about is how that would be represented in Mando'a script. Ideally, I'd like the Mando'a script and the Romanization to be 1:1 representations of the words.


Adi'karta wrote:I'm separating your list by consonants vs vowels, mostly for my own notes:

Consonants: (IPA transcription reference)

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m m man, mom
n n no, night
d d dive, dark
r ɹ right, red
h h hate, hide
b b bind, rubber
y j yes, yard
t t top, tight
sh ʃ shoot, push
j jump, jedi
k k black, attack
l l label, light
s s sit, saber
v v victory, vice
p p place, pet
z z zap, fizz
g g ghost, give
ch cheese, fetch
w w why, water
f f fate, food
' ʔ uh-oh, little (with British accent)


Vowels: (IPA transcription reference - note: interpretation is contingent upon my Miwdest American accent and may not be perfectly representative)

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a ä father, haha -- One thing I'm unclear on with this letter, it can apparently also be 'æ' as in bat, man? Are there rules on when?
o o open, old
e e day, okay
ê ɛ bet, step
ee i flee, bleed
u u flute, cool -- Another one here. This one is both 'u' and 'ə/ʊ" sounds? As in look, put?
û ʌ but, cut, stuck
î ɪ tip, spit


Diphthongs/Glides: (no transcription reference -- best-guess transcription)

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ai ai die, fly, eye
oi oi boy, exploit
ui ui buoy, gooey, suey


Notes on your questions: I have no idea if there are specific rules on when. Can you provide an example or two of each situation from the Mando'a dictionary?

Also, here's a chart of the consonants from the MANDOR font:

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After a little bit of research, I was finally able to find a way to add some sort of stress markers to vowels in the Mando'a script font! It stands to reason, as A'nu Bliss said, to have a one to one representation from the Romanization to the Mando'a scripts. I had previously had the idea to add horizontal bars across the stressed vowels; however, I decided to replace the bars with filled-in dots above (because that was so much easier :mrgreen:), except for the Mando'a letter of "uy" because there is already a dot-like symbol within it in the first place. I used the vertical bar over that letter in the font.

For the font, I simply took the font from this url: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3VsKEZpUOZxR2FMV0RJV20tWWM/view and added the necessary markings over the vowels.

Here's a link to the new font: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4QEIIxa-oVyVTU2TkNJN1g4cWc/view

Guide to Place of Vowels within the font:
IPA= ä, Unstressed form ("A" in romization)= a (lower-case A in font), Stressed Form ("Aa" in Romnization)= A (capital A in font)
IPA= o, Unstressed form ("o")= o, Stressed Form ("oo")= O
IPA= e, Unstressed form ("e")= q, Stressed Form ("ee")= ¡
IPA= ɛ, Unstressed Form ("ê")= e, Stressed Form ("êê")= E
IPA= i, Unstressed Form ("i")= &, Stressed Form ("ii")= ¢
IPA= u, Unstressed Form ("u")= ], Stressed Form ("uu")= ¤
IPA= ʌ, Unstressed Form ("û")= u, Stressed Form ("ûû")= U
IPA= ɪ, Unstressed Form ("î")= i, Stressed Form ("îî")= I
IPA= ai, Unstressed Form ("ai")= [, Stressed Form ("aai")= £
IPA= oi, Unstressed Form ("oi")= \, Stressed Form ("ooi")= ¥
IPA= ui, Unstressed form ("ui")= ;, Stressed Form ("uui")= ¦

And here's a side-by-side comparison of the old orthography, the revised Romanization, and the new font with symbols for stressed vowels:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4QEIIxa-oVycmJETGgzeDNWU3M/view?usp=sharing
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby Taljair te Mir'ad » 07 Jul 2016 07:43

Lost beten in your transcript. I do believe it has some significance
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby A'nu Biss » 07 Jul 2016 16:06

Taljair te Mir'ad wrote:I do believe it has some significance

Certainly! Yeah probably be a good idea to add that one back in there somewhere...
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Unread postby joh'amur » 07 Jul 2016 23:22

Taljair te Mir'ad wrote:Lost beten in your transcript. I do believe it has some significance


:oops: Ner Dunar (Ner dunaar)! The Windows International keyboard is not a fan of writing a single apostrophe, and that's what beten is in the font. I have changed the link in my original post to the same sentence I used, now with beten.

Also, would it be acceptable to write the caret (^) after the vowels with them in the reformed orthography (e^ for ê, eeˆ for êê, etc.) if you aren't able to place the carets over the vowels with the keyboard that you have?
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby Enaris » 22 Jul 2016 22:47

Looks like the revised comparison is using General Punctuation 2019 ('), whereas a beten is actually basic latin 0022 (") - this should alleviate the international keyboard issue, no?

I'm not going insane, right, the beten is a two-stroke character? I'm not going to argue whether it should be, but, historically it has been.

Anyways, this is pretty exciting. My only gripe is that accent marks on the Mando'a typeface make it take even longer to handwrite xP
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Re: Regarding the Transliteration of Mando'a...

Unread postby A'nu Biss » 01 Aug 2016 17:52

Agreed, and yes it technically is the two-stroke character. My reasoning for using the basic apostrophe was just ease of typing the new typeface
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