On the dar'manda concept

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On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Taljair te Mir'ad » 27 Mar 2015 19:31

Okay, vode, here's something i would like to discuss.
We all know this term, dar'manda. But what does it really mean. The explanation in the cannon dictionary is rather brief and vague. The books by Kar'buir explain it a little, but the whole concept stays rather misunderstood sometimes. I would want you to share your ideas on it.
What is it, an insult or simply a term for failure as a mandalorian? Should one be offended or ashamed when he/she is called that? How rude it is? How straightforward it sounds and when the term is appropriate for use?
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby BlackSwordKirito » 30 Mar 2015 02:42

The term seems to convey a sense failure to me. Almost as if one has become unworthy of wearing beskar'gam. I believe the term would reserved for the most dispicable/disgraceful/cowardly/etc. criminals the mando culture has to offer.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Taljair te Mir'ad » 30 Mar 2015 10:56

In my opinion there's nothing really criminal in it. Crime is something to be punished for. To stop being a mandalorian isnt something worth punishment, its just a disgrace and disrespect to oneself and to one's ancestors. Its something to be ashamed of.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Tempest » 29 Feb 2016 14:46

I came shabla close to being dar'manda, and, if it weren't for my jatne'vod, I would've crossed that line. Because of that, I can sum it up. It's when your aliit can't trust you and/or when you aren't supporting your aliit (financially, materially, emotionally, time-wise, etc.). Mando'ade mutually help each other. When I was withdrawn and contributed only a little, it became difficult for my vode to support me emotionally (I gotta stress that if a Mando'ad acts selfishly to his aliit, that alone puts, or nearly puts, him/her on/over the dar'manda ledge). Dar'manda is when you are mentally/emotionally separated from your aliit because of your own insufficiently mandakarla behavior. Being dar'manda is excruciatingly painful, emotionally, because Mando'ade are NOTHING without our aliit. I hope this helps.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Vlet Hansen » 01 Mar 2016 05:19

I'd agree, it carries the connotation of just not being what you're supposed to be. Like how there's n word for "hero" in the sense that if you can't measure up, you're just not really part of the club.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Tempest » 13 Mar 2016 13:17

So I've been thinking... This all seems a bit philosophical, so could we turn this practical? We all know the resol'nare. Education, armor, self-defense, our tribe, our language, our leader, all help us survive. I know helping people is usually opportunistic, but could we all put our buy'ce together and figure out ways to be better vode that way we don't get anywhere near dar'manda?

Here's some of my ideas:
1. Thank-you (vode/cyar'ika) or I-love-you (cyar'ika) notes/texts (gratitude and love are important with anyone)
2. Making time for them during time normally spent on work stuff (not everyone can do this, granted)
3. Doing something new with them (this keeps the relationship fresh and fun for everyone)

Also, I will note that my closest vod would laugh his head clean off if he heard me talking about trying something new, hence I have a lot of growing yet to do.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Adi'karta » 22 Mar 2016 17:59

Warning: I am going to get all hippie on you and maybe sound like a therapist for a minute...
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Any therapist or anyone mature enough and experienced in interpersonal (or romantic) relationships will tell you that the most important thing in any relationship is communication. The thing about communication is that one must feel secure in oneself and one's identity and also must trust the other part(y/ies) completely in order for communication to be truly meaningful and helpful. I feel like those are concepts which are inherent to the Mando'ade identity -- feeling secure and confident in oneself, trusting oneself and members of your aliit enough to communicate openly and honestly with them and not judge them nor fear judgement from them.

My above mention of communication is relevant to addressing all three of your ideas; in my opinion all three of your points rely on a solid basis of communication, mutual trust, and self-confidence. Allow me to explain:
  1. It is so much easier to confidently show appreciation and love and gratitude when there is mutual trust and open communication.
  2. It is easier to make time for others when one is busy if one feels like one can expect complete and utter support during those brief departures from one's normal schedule.
  3. For this third point it is beginning to seem as though you are primarily describing maintenance of a romantic relationship, and I can say that after enough time has passed in such a relationship, it is very common for "new activities" and "going out" to become less frequent. A little bit of spontaneity can be good, but try not to force it, as it could instead become a point of stress for everyone involved (due to it possibly feeling like an obligation). There is nothing wrong with having some routine activities like a scheduled movie night or board game night or video game night or any mutually-enjoyable activity you'd prefer.
Tempest wrote:Also, I will note that my closest vod would laugh his head clean off if he heard me talking about trying something new, hence I have a lot of growing yet to do.

As long as it's a knowing laugh and not condescending, do not fear this. :D

And I agree wholeheartedly with your need to grow. Everyone needs to grow and nobody should ever stop growing and learning. Life is a constant balance between internal maintenance and external responsibility.

...and to bring all this back to your first point:
Tempest wrote:I know helping people is usually opportunistic, but could we all put our buy'ce together and figure out ways to be better vode that way we don't get anywhere near dar'manda?

I feel like there is no better way to be a good vod and a good Mando'ad than to be self-confident, resolute, reliable, and supportive. In the end it really all comes down to being comfortable with yourself and truly trusting yourself.
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Re: On the dar'manda concept

Unread postby Tempest » 22 May 2016 14:06

I actually did not see your post, Adi'karta, until just now. Being particularly aweful at social stuff, a few weeks ago I defaulted to directly asking my vode about the topic in general, and they said pretty much the same thing as I thought and you said (at least to me, this doesn't down your knowledge; rather, it indicates that your logic is sound). Definitely good thoughts.
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